Old 11-23-2017, 09:02 PM   #1
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Default Canadian AT Regiments in WW2 - question re 1st and 7th

Ok so this is my understanding of the AT Regiments in WW2:

There were 7 regiments, numbered 1-7.

1st Anti-Tank Regiment RCA were divisional troops in 1st Canadian Infantry Div
2nd were divisional troops in 2nd Canadian Infantry Division
And similarly for 3rd
4th were in 5CAD
5th were in 4CAD
6th became 2nd Canadian Corps troops
7th... from what I read online, were 1st Canadian Infantry Div troops and then became 1st Canadian Corps troops?

And that's where I'm confused. Where was the 1st regiment if/when 7th was at some point the divisional anti-tank regiment of 1st Canadian Infantry Division?

Thanks in advance!
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Old 11-23-2017, 09:18 PM   #2
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According to 'Battery Flashes' by DW Falconer, 1 A/Tk was always 1 Cdn Div and 7 A/Tk was always I Cdn Corps.
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Old 11-25-2017, 11:40 AM   #3
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Here’s a list of ALL Anti-Tank Regiments formed in the Canadian Forces (including those “post war”). Files are at LAC

1st Anti-Tank Regiment

Background Information

1st Army Field Brigade placed on active service, 1 September 1939.
Converted and redesignated as 1st Anti-Tank Regiment. Composed of 51st, 57th, 27th and 90th Anti-Tank Batteries, 1 October 1939.
Disbanded, 28 August 1945.


2nd Anti-Tank Regiment

Background Information

2nd Army Field Brigade placed on active service. Composed of 18th and 20th Field Batteries, 108th and 23rd Field Batteries (How.), 1 September 1939.
Converted and redesignated as 2nd Anti-Tank Regiment. Composed of 18th, 20th, 108th and 23rd Anti-Tank Batteries, 1 October 1939.
Disbanded, 23 September 1945.


3rd Anti-Tank Regiment

Background Information

Placed on active service. Composed of 4th, 94th, 52nd and 105th Anti-Tank Batteries, 3 September 1940.
Disbanded, 14 November 1945.


2nd-3rd Anti-Tank Regiment

Background Information

Authorized for service with the Canadian Army Occupation Force. Composed of 2nd-4th, 52nd, 94th, and 105th Anti-Tank Batteries, 16 June 1945.
Disbanded, 14 May 1946.


4th Anti-Tank Regiment

Background Information

Placed on active service. Composed of 98th (Bruce), 24th, 82nd and 104th Anti-Tank Batteries, 5 September 1940.
16th Anti-Tank Battery allocated, 1 January 1943.
Disbanded, 28 November 1945.


2nd-4th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment

Background Information

Authorized for service with the Canadian Army Occupation Force. Composed of 2nd- 32nd, 69th and 100th Light Anti-Aircraft Batteries, 16 June 1945.
Disbanded, 4 April 1946.


5th Anti-Tank Regiment

Background Information

Authorized and placed on active service. Composed of 24th, 96th and 65th Anti-Tank Batteries, 5 September 1941.
3rd Anti-Tank Battery allocated to regiment, 26 January 1942.
14th Anti-Tank Battery authorized and allocated to regiment, 1 January 1943.
Disbanded, 10 December 1945.


6th Anti-Tank Regiment

Background Information

Authorized and placed on active service. Composed of 33rd, 56th, 74th and 103rd Anti- Tank Batteries, 18 March 1942.
Disbanded, 23 June 1945.


7th Anti-Tank Regiment

Background Information

Authorized and placed on active service. Composed of 111th (Nelson), 113th, 115th and 104th Anti-Tank Batteries, 8 March 1941.
Disbanded, 27 June 1945.


8th Anti-Tank Regiment

Background Information

Authorized and placed on active service. Composed of 10th, 11th, 12th and 13th Anti- Tank Batteries, 12 May 1942.
Reorganized as 28th Field Regiment, 15 May 1943.


9th Anti-Tank Regiment

Background Information

Authorized as 9th Brigade, CFA. Composed of 5th “Kingston” and 8th “Gananoque” Batteries. Headquarters at Deseronto, Ontario (MD3), 9 May 1905.
Headquarters transferred to Gananoque, 2 January 1912.
Reorganized and redesignated as 9th Field Brigade. Composed of 3rd (Gananoque), 32nd (Kingston), 34th and 74th Batteries. Headquarters at Belleville, Ontario, 1 July 1925.
47th (Napanee) and 56th (Grenville) (How.) Batteries authorized and allocated to 9th Field Brigade, 15 December 1936.
9th (Reserve) Field Brigade converted and redesignated as 44th (Reserve) Field Regiment, 24 June 1942.
44th (Reserve) Field Regiment amalgamated with the (Reserve) Argyll Light Infantry (Tank), converted and redesignated as 9th Anti-Tank Regiment (Self-Propelled) (Argyll Light Infantry), 1 April 1946.


35th Anti-Tank Regiment

Background Information

35th (Reserve) Field Regiment authorized and placed in 35th (Reserve) Brigade Group (MD5), 1 April 1942.
Headquarters at Québec City, 24 June 1942.
Converted and redesignated as 35th Anti-Tank Regiment. Composed of 143rd and 144th Anti-Tank Batteries, 1 April 1946.
Amalgamated with 59th Field Battery under latter designation, 1 September 1954.


41st Anti-Tank Regiment (Self-Propelled)

Background Information

41st (Reserve) Field Regiment authorized (MD13). Composed of 20th, 23rd, 61st and 78th (Reserve) Field Batteries, 1 April 1942.
Headquarters at Calgary, Alberta, 24 June 1942.
41st (Reserve) Field Regiment, 78th (Reserve) and 95th (Reserve) Field Batteries amalgamated, converted and redesignated as 41st Anti-Tank Regiment (Self- Propelled). Composed of 78th and 95th Anti-Tank Batteries (Self-Propelled). 108th Anti-Tank Battery (Self-Propelled) allocated to the regiment, 1 April 1946.
41st Anti-Tank Battery (Self-Propelled), 95th and 108th Anti-Tank Batteries (Self- Propelled) amalgamated, converted and redesignated as the South Alberta Light Horse (29th Armoured Regiment), 28 September 1954.


45th Anti-Tank Regiment (Grey and Simcoe Foresters)

Background Information

The Grey and Simcoe Foresters (Reserve) converted and redesignated as 45th Anti- Tank Regiment (Grey and Simcoe Foresters). Composed of 135th, 136th, 137th and 138th Anti-Tank Batteries (MD2), 1 April 1946.
Redesignated as 45th Anti-Tank Regiment (Self-Propelled) (Grey and Simcoe Foresters), 19 June 1947.
Amalgamated with 55th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment, converted and redesignated as The Grey and Simcoe Foresters (28th Armoured Regiment), RCAC, 1 October 1954.


47th Anti-Tank Regiment

Background Information

36th (Reserve) Brigade Group Reconnaissance Squadron, RCAC and 88th (Reserve) Field Battery amalgamated, converted and redesignated as 47th Anti-Tank Regiment. Composed of 88th and 146th Anti-Tank Batteries (MD6), 1 April 1946.
Regimental headquarters, 88th and 146th Anti-Tank Batteries amalgamated to form the 88th Field Battery (14th Field Artillery Regiment), 1 December 1954.


48th Anti-Tank Regiment

Background Information

18th (Reserve) Reconnaissance Regiment (2nd Armoured Car Regiment) and 38th (Reserve) Field Battery amalgamated, converted and were designated as the 48th Anti- Tank Regiment (2nd Armoured Car Regiment) (Self-Propelled). Composed of 60th, 101st and 147th and 38th Anti-Tank Batteries (MD10), 1 April 1946.
Redesignated as 48th Anti-Tank Regiment (Self-Propelled). Composed of 38th, 60th, 101st and 147th Anti-Tank Batteries (Self-Propelled), 26 January 1948.
48th Anti-Tank Regiment, 38th, 60th and 147th Anti-Tank Batteries (Self-Propelled) amalgamated and designated as 38th Field Battery (Self-Propelled), 1 October 1954.
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Old 11-25-2017, 09:28 PM   #4
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Thank you VERY much, guys!

Aside from actually going to LAC, all the war diaries (I think ALL the Canadian war diaries) are online and someone on ww2forum.com put together a spreadsheet so you can look up a particular unit and get to the right section.

It's pretty amazing. You can just browse about any war diary you please from home!

Do you think there would be other files at LAC? Not part of the diaries?

http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...c_mikan_133700

http://ww2talk.com/index.php?resourc...preadsheet.21/

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P.S. Has anything been written (I mean more detail or veteran accounts) about 56 Battery of 6th Cdn Anti-Tank Reg't or 7th Recce Regiment?

I actually got to have a look at Battalion Flashes and Gunners of Canada at the library today.

56th started to receive "17-pdr SPs" in August '44. The war diary just says "17-pdr SPs" and so does Battalion Flashes, but Gunners of Canada goes out and says they were Valentine 17-pdr SPs (aka Archers). The battery then accompanied 7th Recce on a recce towards the Channel ports.

It seems pretty likely that these were Archers because in the war diary they say, in a couple of places, "17-pdr SPs and 3" M-10s". If these were 17-pdr M-10s they would have called them that, right?

But I'd really like to confirm that... I guess I'm going to go check the 7th Recce Reg't diary now.

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Well, now I'm more pessimistic that these were Valentine SPs - the Recce war diary doesn't say much
on a day-to-day basis, but in a summary at the end of September '44 it only mentions M-10s. It's a bit confusing.

I see there's "An historical account of the 7th Canadian Reconnaissance Regiment (17th Duke of York's Royal Canadian Hussars) in the World War, 1939-1945" by Walter Pavey ... so I guess I'll have to look into that.

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Sometimes, if you go “page by page” thru the War Diary files they give you “vehicle’s on strength” reports for units. The link to all their war diaries:

http://www.canadaatwar.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=6495


I know that I have obtained vehicle data on the War Diary reels in the past for RCE units, so it may be possible with this unit also
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Old 11-25-2017, 11:03 PM   #8
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Well, now I'm more pessimistic that these were Valentine SPs - the Recce war diary doesn't say much
on a day-to-day basis, but in a summary at the end of September '44 it only mentions M-10s. It's a bit confusing.

I see there's "An historical account of the 7th Canadian Reconnaissance Regiment (17th Duke of York's Royal Canadian Hussars) in the World War, 1939-1945" by Walter Pavey ... so I guess I'll have to look into that.
Toronto Library has a copy of that book


http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/d...1667&R=1841667
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Old 11-25-2017, 11:06 PM   #9
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Also this book may be a source:

https://www.abebooks.com/97809693044...0969304439/plp


LAC and University of Toronto look like they have copies of the above book

http://www.worldcat.org/title/bash-o.../oclc/37195967

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Also, if your NOT close to either, don’t forget “inter-library loan” in your community. It takes a while, but it works if your needed a reference book
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